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	<title>Comments on: A story about spunk and fight</title>
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	<description>Party Planning and Online Invitations with MyPunchbowl</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10723</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10723</guid>
		<description>I stumbled upon this whilst searching for an invite service. Fascinating tale, but oversimplified. Matt has the right to do as he pleases, and while there's a mention of a phone call and meeting between them, it's been paraphrased. If the '24 test' is factored in and it's clear to all that it was a regrettable reply on her part, forgiven in part because he baited her to get a recation.

A year on the internet is akin to 5 years in print or gossip, and it's cached forever. Think twice before you spew venom. Public affairs, customer service, marketing, stewarding clients and dinner parties are dances of diplomacy. Burn one person and they'll vent or bad mouth you to everyone and every forum available. She lucked out, and I wish us all more composure when the situation presents itself. 
(no spell check)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon this whilst searching for an invite service. Fascinating tale, but oversimplified. Matt has the right to do as he pleases, and while there&#8217;s a mention of a phone call and meeting between them, it&#8217;s been paraphrased. If the &#8216;24 test&#8217; is factored in and it&#8217;s clear to all that it was a regrettable reply on her part, forgiven in part because he baited her to get a recation.</p>
<p>A year on the internet is akin to 5 years in print or gossip, and it&#8217;s cached forever. Think twice before you spew venom. Public affairs, customer service, marketing, stewarding clients and dinner parties are dances of diplomacy. Burn one person and they&#8217;ll vent or bad mouth you to everyone and every forum available. She lucked out, and I wish us all more composure when the situation presents itself.<br />
(no spell check)<br />
ATTS</p>
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		<title>By: Donna Jean</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10693</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10693</guid>
		<description>I am very proud to say that I have worked with this young lady for the past 2+ years serving wonderful (and yes, sometimes very rude) guests.  While we are both actively searching for work in our fields, it IS frustrating to send out resume, after resume, and not receive ANY response, and then with the economy and less guests to serve=less tips to make ends meet, you become desperate (been there, still there)...but as a recent graduate ready to get into the work force, how depressing when all you want to do is work in the field that you've studied for.

Nevertheless Matt, I have a question for you.  Was she blushing when you first met?  I can attest that she was beet red when she read to our restaurant manager and me your reply to her e-mail for the intern position.  As she continued, our jaws dropped when she read her response to you for the typo.  We couldn't believe it!!!  So UNLIKE HER, but we laughed because we know how hard she's been searching, and how frustrating it is.  We weren't laughing at her, or her response, we were just dumbfounded, and then when she read your response to meet her...OH MY WORD!!!  We were beside ourselves.

For those voicing a negative opinion, "to know her is to love her", and I not ony know her, but I work with her and she has never come across like she did in her response.  She serves many guests; the young and old, and in between, like "the movie queen".

She deserves this opportunity.  No, if she was "corrected" in the work place she would not lash out - there are no red flags for this girl - she would take it with a grain of salt and welcome any constructive criticism.  She has been an absolute joy to work with and a wonderful hard working young lady (all of our guests love her!).

I'm so very happy that you have given her this opportunity to show what she can do in your assignment.  If nothing more, you have given her a challenge and that is what she needed, not to be "deleted".  

Thank you, sincerely!

Oh, and by the way, if you're looking for an administrative assistant, I would love to send you my resume.

P.S. Mario - maybe you and Joe should raise your tips a little for all the time you sit and tell us your stories; it won't help make ends meet, but you you wouldn't be bickerin' over pennies.  :}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very proud to say that I have worked with this young lady for the past 2+ years serving wonderful (and yes, sometimes very rude) guests.  While we are both actively searching for work in our fields, it IS frustrating to send out resume, after resume, and not receive ANY response, and then with the economy and less guests to serve=less tips to make ends meet, you become desperate (been there, still there)&#8230;but as a recent graduate ready to get into the work force, how depressing when all you want to do is work in the field that you&#8217;ve studied for.</p>
<p>Nevertheless Matt, I have a question for you.  Was she blushing when you first met?  I can attest that she was beet red when she read to our restaurant manager and me your reply to her e-mail for the intern position.  As she continued, our jaws dropped when she read her response to you for the typo.  We couldn&#8217;t believe it!!!  So UNLIKE HER, but we laughed because we know how hard she&#8217;s been searching, and how frustrating it is.  We weren&#8217;t laughing at her, or her response, we were just dumbfounded, and then when she read your response to meet her&#8230;OH MY WORD!!!  We were beside ourselves.</p>
<p>For those voicing a negative opinion, &#8220;to know her is to love her&#8221;, and I not ony know her, but I work with her and she has never come across like she did in her response.  She serves many guests; the young and old, and in between, like &#8220;the movie queen&#8221;.</p>
<p>She deserves this opportunity.  No, if she was &#8220;corrected&#8221; in the work place she would not lash out - there are no red flags for this girl - she would take it with a grain of salt and welcome any constructive criticism.  She has been an absolute joy to work with and a wonderful hard working young lady (all of our guests love her!).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so very happy that you have given her this opportunity to show what she can do in your assignment.  If nothing more, you have given her a challenge and that is what she needed, not to be &#8220;deleted&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Thank you, sincerely!</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, if you&#8217;re looking for an administrative assistant, I would love to send you my resume.</p>
<p>P.S. Mario - maybe you and Joe should raise your tips a little for all the time you sit and tell us your stories; it won&#8217;t help make ends meet, but you you wouldn&#8217;t be bickerin&#8217; over pennies.  :}</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10690</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 05:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10690</guid>
		<description>Good Lord! When I say I value someone who's willing to "fight" for what they believe in, I don't mean literally pick a fight! 

While I might've been moved to use the incident as a "teachable moment" for this poor young woman, I wouldn't hire someone who couldn't keep her cool under the slightest pressure. (I shudder to think what happens to her diners if they dare point out that she got the order wrong!)

And with all due respect to the crazy-making effects of burnout and exhaustion, I wonder if there isn't a little more pathology at work here. I'm no clinician, but in my world, it's not "spunk," it's just bad behavior to go on the attack when someone offers legitimate (if critical) feedback. It's not self-righteousness talking here; my business just doesn't need the disruptive, counter-productive emotional drama this person would likely bring to the office. Interpersonal dynamics at work are complex enough, thank you.

With some feedback, perspective, maturity and maybe a little more humility in her toolkit, I'm sure she'd get her "second chance" -- with the next employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord! When I say I value someone who&#8217;s willing to &#8220;fight&#8221; for what they believe in, I don&#8217;t mean literally pick a fight! </p>
<p>While I might&#8217;ve been moved to use the incident as a &#8220;teachable moment&#8221; for this poor young woman, I wouldn&#8217;t hire someone who couldn&#8217;t keep her cool under the slightest pressure. (I shudder to think what happens to her diners if they dare point out that she got the order wrong!)</p>
<p>And with all due respect to the crazy-making effects of burnout and exhaustion, I wonder if there isn&#8217;t a little more pathology at work here. I&#8217;m no clinician, but in my world, it&#8217;s not &#8220;spunk,&#8221; it&#8217;s just bad behavior to go on the attack when someone offers legitimate (if critical) feedback. It&#8217;s not self-righteousness talking here; my business just doesn&#8217;t need the disruptive, counter-productive emotional drama this person would likely bring to the office. Interpersonal dynamics at work are complex enough, thank you.</p>
<p>With some feedback, perspective, maturity and maybe a little more humility in her toolkit, I&#8217;m sure she&#8217;d get her &#8220;second chance&#8221; &#8212; with the next employer.</p>
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		<title>By: Kayla</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10673</link>
		<dc:creator>Kayla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10673</guid>
		<description>If you're kissing ass the whole time, your potential employer isn't going to know what kind of person you truly are. Don't get me wrong, portraying yourself well is a very important factor in finding a job, but there's a difference between being polite and being fake. Like she said, she was overworked and exhausted both when she sent the resume and probably when she replied to the email as well. As long as she apologized for her bluntness, she deserves a second chance. After all, Matt's not looking for a puppet, he's looking for a creative and hard worker that is real, above anything else. I think it's a humorous start to a great employer-employee relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re kissing ass the whole time, your potential employer isn&#8217;t going to know what kind of person you truly are. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, portraying yourself well is a very important factor in finding a job, but there&#8217;s a difference between being polite and being fake. Like she said, she was overworked and exhausted both when she sent the resume and probably when she replied to the email as well. As long as she apologized for her bluntness, she deserves a second chance. After all, Matt&#8217;s not looking for a puppet, he&#8217;s looking for a creative and hard worker that is real, above anything else. I think it&#8217;s a humorous start to a great employer-employee relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: mario</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10669</link>
		<dc:creator>mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10669</guid>
		<description>Misspelled word? So what.
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Well, that's what they say, anyway. In case you can't read the text above, it's telling you that researchers at Cambridge University have concluded that it doesn't matter what order the letters of a word are; as long as the first and last letters are in the proper place, you can scramble the rest of the word however you like, and it's still readable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misspelled word? So what.<br />
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn&#8217;t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s what they say, anyway. In case you can&#8217;t read the text above, it&#8217;s telling you that researchers at Cambridge University have concluded that it doesn&#8217;t matter what order the letters of a word are; as long as the first and last letters are in the proper place, you can scramble the rest of the word however you like, and it&#8217;s still readable.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10659</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10659</guid>
		<description>This was indeed a really, really interesting post. I was actually in the midst of crafting an email to respond to your Craig's List ad, as I am a recent college grad looking to get into the field of online marketing, when I came across this blog post. I was poking around on your site (which I think is awesome, by the way) and was very intrigued to find that the latest blog post was actually about the position I was planning to apply for. As an entry-level recent college grad trying to figure out what the heck employers are looking for, I found the blog post fascinating - and very disappointing. 

I would never, in a million years, write an email like that to a potential employer...or anyone, for that matter. Therefore, I am apparently not the right candidate for this position. I am really disappointed because I am extremely interested in entrepreneurship, and specifically online startups, and MyPunchbowl looks like a particularly fun place to work. However, I've come to realize that getting a job (or an internship) is a matchmaking process, and apparently we aren't really a match! I really like that you were willing to give this girl a second chance, though, and that you could appreciate her spunk. I can see how she could turn out to be a fantastic intern, and I wish you the best of luck. Also, thanks for the tip - I'm going to try to spunk up my heading lines from now on!

P.S. If you happen to change your mind and decide to try out an uber-polite perfectionist, please keep me in mind. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was indeed a really, really interesting post. I was actually in the midst of crafting an email to respond to your Craig&#8217;s List ad, as I am a recent college grad looking to get into the field of online marketing, when I came across this blog post. I was poking around on your site (which I think is awesome, by the way) and was very intrigued to find that the latest blog post was actually about the position I was planning to apply for. As an entry-level recent college grad trying to figure out what the heck employers are looking for, I found the blog post fascinating - and very disappointing. </p>
<p>I would never, in a million years, write an email like that to a potential employer&#8230;or anyone, for that matter. Therefore, I am apparently not the right candidate for this position. I am really disappointed because I am extremely interested in entrepreneurship, and specifically online startups, and MyPunchbowl looks like a particularly fun place to work. However, I&#8217;ve come to realize that getting a job (or an internship) is a matchmaking process, and apparently we aren&#8217;t really a match! I really like that you were willing to give this girl a second chance, though, and that you could appreciate her spunk. I can see how she could turn out to be a fantastic intern, and I wish you the best of luck. Also, thanks for the tip - I&#8217;m going to try to spunk up my heading lines from now on!</p>
<p>P.S. If you happen to change your mind and decide to try out an uber-polite perfectionist, please keep me in mind. : )</p>
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		<title>By: Lynnelle</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10658</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynnelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10658</guid>
		<description>This post was an enjoyable read. 

However, thinking that this applicant would actually be hired after blowing up - albeit via email - at the 'boss' still amazes me. I like Barbara Hart's discussion from the perspective of a hiring agent. She is almost completely void of emotion regarding the hire, something most employers are not. I do disagree with her use of the term "rules" as it pertains to applying for jobs. There are no set rules, but customs - and these customs change over time and across industries and cultures. 

However, no matter the custom - this spunky applicant was out of line and would not have made it passed my door. If hired at this company, I would stay on my toes and wear body armor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post was an enjoyable read. </p>
<p>However, thinking that this applicant would actually be hired after blowing up - albeit via email - at the &#8216;boss&#8217; still amazes me. I like Barbara Hart&#8217;s discussion from the perspective of a hiring agent. She is almost completely void of emotion regarding the hire, something most employers are not. I do disagree with her use of the term &#8220;rules&#8221; as it pertains to applying for jobs. There are no set rules, but customs - and these customs change over time and across industries and cultures. </p>
<p>However, no matter the custom - this spunky applicant was out of line and would not have made it passed my door. If hired at this company, I would stay on my toes and wear body armor.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Hart</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10655</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10655</guid>
		<description>Wow. I'm a hiring consultant who has recently been on the receiving end of similar emails. It is interesting that a number of them have come from marketing professionals, at both the entry and mid-career levels. I will not move a professional applicant forward if there are typos in the email, cover letter or resume, but have learned to ignore typos in the subject line as it would disqualify too many candidates. By the way, the word candidate is my most common typo.) While I believe that it is a kindness to let otherwise qualified candidates know why they have not met expectations, many of them see it as rude and/or reply in a rude manner so I have largely stopped trying to help them.  Candidates who respond in a rude or angry fashion are never moved forward, for the reasons so many others have outlined here. They should be putting their best selves forward, not blowing up or dumping or getting over emotional. How can you have confidence that they would respond correctly to clients and vendors if they respond so poorly to you?  

One thing I am doing is offering to speak to local college classes to help educate them about the best way to apply for positions. Either the colleges and universities are not teaching this, or the students don't "hear" it when they do. If more business owners and managers took the time to talk with the students (or unemployed groups), perhaps more applicants would understand the rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m a hiring consultant who has recently been on the receiving end of similar emails. It is interesting that a number of them have come from marketing professionals, at both the entry and mid-career levels. I will not move a professional applicant forward if there are typos in the email, cover letter or resume, but have learned to ignore typos in the subject line as it would disqualify too many candidates. By the way, the word candidate is my most common typo.) While I believe that it is a kindness to let otherwise qualified candidates know why they have not met expectations, many of them see it as rude and/or reply in a rude manner so I have largely stopped trying to help them.  Candidates who respond in a rude or angry fashion are never moved forward, for the reasons so many others have outlined here. They should be putting their best selves forward, not blowing up or dumping or getting over emotional. How can you have confidence that they would respond correctly to clients and vendors if they respond so poorly to you?  </p>
<p>One thing I am doing is offering to speak to local college classes to help educate them about the best way to apply for positions. Either the colleges and universities are not teaching this, or the students don&#8217;t &#8220;hear&#8221; it when they do. If more business owners and managers took the time to talk with the students (or unemployed groups), perhaps more applicants would understand the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: mario</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10654</link>
		<dc:creator>mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10654</guid>
		<description>".....serving rude people."
She's right.  I think I'm one of them.  She's too bright to continue to put up with people like me (and Joe).
Hire her, for pete's sake!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;..serving rude people.&#8221;<br />
She&#8217;s right.  I think I&#8217;m one of them.  She&#8217;s too bright to continue to put up with people like me (and Joe).<br />
Hire her, for pete&#8217;s sake!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Koukoulis</title>
		<link>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10652</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Koukoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mypunchbowl.com/blog/2009/01/31/a-story-about-spunk-and-fight/#comment-10652</guid>
		<description>Wow!! 
This is great!! Liz Phillips you must have a lot of time on your hands.....
I mean that or you are a woman that just doesn't like other woman... Whatever the reason might be give the kid a break...
We are all human and all need a break once in a while and like your blog says 

"We've all been there . . . When you are in a good heart and mind space, life feels like an enternity of making love on a sun-denched window sill beside a life-sized old-fashioned brass key that, um, well, that unlocks all the past pains in your heart, setting you free to love absolutely everyone around you. Like when you're drunk."

Testament - Practice What You Preach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!!<br />
This is great!! Liz Phillips you must have a lot of time on your hands&#8230;..<br />
I mean that or you are a woman that just doesn&#8217;t like other woman&#8230; Whatever the reason might be give the kid a break&#8230;<br />
We are all human and all need a break once in a while and like your blog says </p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;ve all been there . . . When you are in a good heart and mind space, life feels like an enternity of making love on a sun-denched window sill beside a life-sized old-fashioned brass key that, um, well, that unlocks all the past pains in your heart, setting you free to love absolutely everyone around you. Like when you&#8217;re drunk.&#8221;</p>
<p>Testament - Practice What You Preach</p>
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